An assessment of the Lakeland Revival

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Jul 062008

JunglesWife posted a link to a blog I’ve never seen before, but will undoubtedly start reading – “The Not So Daily Timmy”, by Tim Brownlee.

Tim posted an assessment of the Lakeland revival which makes several excellent points – most notably this:

The fact is for many of these cult watcher groups, their prophets are all dead. They can’t trust anybody alive to bear the oracle of God besides themselves.

and also this:

Because if all you are concerned is with deception then it will become your God.

Rev Frederick G Merry

But I can say that the thing is the Prophets are alive and well and they are truly hearing from God
Rev Frederick G Merry

But I can say that the thing is the Prophets are alive and well and they are truly hearing from God
http://www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv john q. public

07/06/08 Greetings to All Pentecostals &
Charismatics!, The above link is especially for you. The above video is
from a Non-Pentecostal Perspective. This
is how a real revival should be. Also,
here is a rhetorical question for you to
ponder, “why are you trying to feel God?,
when the Angels of God do not even do that at all!” They say, “holy,holy,holy”
Lord,God,Almighty. They don’t have their
hands held upwards toward him!
http://www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv john q. public

07/06/08 Greetings to All Pentecostals &
Charismatics!, The above link is especially for you. The above video is
from a Non-Pentecostal Perspective. This
is how a real revival should be. Also,
here is a rhetorical question for you to
ponder, “why are you trying to feel God?,
when the Angels of God do not even do that at all!” They say, “holy,holy,holy”
Lord,God,Almighty. They don’t have their
hands held upwards toward him!
http://www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv john q. public

07/06/08 Oops! here is that weblink again,www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv Note: you will most likely have to
paste & copy it in order to see it. thank
you for your time and patience.
http://www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv john q. public

07/06/08 Oops! here is that weblink again,www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv Note: you will most likely have to
paste & copy it in order to see it. thank
you for your time and patience.
http://www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv john q. public

07/06/08 Hello, It seems to me that lil
Timmy is having a temper tantrum. It makes me wonder if he is truly rightly-dividing the Word? Non-P/C’s would realize that the Body of Christ would not
need Prophets & Prophetesses cos they got
The Word of God Complete!
http://www.fireonthealtar.com/video/Asbury.wmv john q. public

07/06/08 Hello, It seems to me that lil
Timmy is having a temper tantrum. It makes me wonder if he is truly rightly-dividing the Word? Non-P/C’s would realize that the Body of Christ would not
need Prophets & Prophetesses cos they got
The Word of God Complete!
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Um, John, this’ll likely make you mad but I’ll say it anyway… I believe the Bible, and therefore I’m Pentecostal.
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Um, John, this’ll likely make you mad but I’ll say it anyway… I believe the Bible, and therefore I’m Pentecostal.
Rev Frederick G Merry

I wonder Kathi, why it is becoming more and more that people are checking things out closer and closer.
Rev Frederick G Merry

I wonder Kathi, why it is becoming more and more that people are checking things out closer and closer.
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

I dunno, Rev… unbelief, mayhap?
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

I dunno, Rev… unbelief, mayhap?
Rev Frederick G Merry

Or Kathi people are deserning more and more
Rev Frederick G Merry

Or Kathi people are deserning more and more
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Perhaps that’s why well over a quarter million people have been to Lakeland and who knows how many gazillion more watch on TV and Internet… lots of discerning people are “getting some”… and drawing ever closer to Jesus as a result.

I’ve seen a lot of things in my life, Rev… and I do mean a lot… but I’ve never seen the devil let Jesus get all the glory.
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Perhaps that’s why well over a quarter million people have been to Lakeland and who knows how many gazillion more watch on TV and Internet… lots of discerning people are “getting some”… and drawing ever closer to Jesus as a result.

I’ve seen a lot of things in my life, Rev… and I do mean a lot… but I’ve never seen the devil let Jesus get all the glory.
Rev Frederick G Merry

Well not saying to be negative, but we must remember that not all the people that go to revival have a deserning spirit. We must remember even if the person is not of God, God can still get the Glory out it. Remember if he can use a Donkey he can use anything. Kathi the big problem is “The Angel” that is bothersome as we are not to worship Angels and it is put in the singular by todd not the plural
Rev Frederick G Merry

Well not saying to be negative, but we must remember that not all the people that go to revival have a deserning spirit. We must remember even if the person is not of God, God can still get the Glory out it. Remember if he can use a Donkey he can use anything. Kathi the big problem is “The Angel” that is bothersome as we are not to worship Angels and it is put in the singular by todd not the plural
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

We must remember that not all the people who stay home have a discerning spirit.

Given God created the donkey and I’m sure animals know on some level who their Creator is, I don’t think that’s a very good argument. Show me where God’s used a cultist to draw people to Jesus, heal the sick, and raise the dead. Then we’ll talk about it.

The big problem – the inconvenient truth – is that you and the rest of the revival police are worshiping this “angel” – not TB and not anyone else connected to Lakeland. Your focus is on the angel and not what Jesus is doing – to your shame.

BTW, if I saw you, Rev, I would describe you in the singular. If I saw you and six other people, I could describe either the group (plural), or I could still describe you in the singular if I was referring only to you.

I don’t have time right now, but I do believe I’ll write a new post on this later…
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

We must remember that not all the people who stay home have a discerning spirit.

Given God created the donkey and I’m sure animals know on some level who their Creator is, I don’t think that’s a very good argument. Show me where God’s used a cultist to draw people to Jesus, heal the sick, and raise the dead. Then we’ll talk about it.

The big problem – the inconvenient truth – is that you and the rest of the revival police are worshiping this “angel” – not TB and not anyone else connected to Lakeland. Your focus is on the angel and not what Jesus is doing – to your shame.

BTW, if I saw you, Rev, I would describe you in the singular. If I saw you and six other people, I could describe either the group (plural), or I could still describe you in the singular if I was referring only to you.

I don’t have time right now, but I do believe I’ll write a new post on this later…
Rev Frederick G Merry

Well at least one thing I do know, we will never agree on this, but do enjoy your views
Rev Frederick G Merry

Well at least one thing I do know, we will never agree on this, but do enjoy your views
Rev Frederick G Merry

Kathi and one thing more, I am singular as I am one person. Angels are more than one, The Angel would not be more than one. lol
Rev Frederick G Merry

Kathi and one thing more, I am singular as I am one person. Angels are more than one, The Angel would not be more than one. lol
Rev Frederick G Merry

Oh just reread your post, no problem was Todd was by stating that God told him to preach “The Angel” I worship Jesus in spirit and in truth, no angels or man here. You seem like an intelligent person, and you should spend time listening to all of his video’s and comments. Why would God want us to hear about an angel and not about his son Jesus. an angel will not save you, but Jesus will.
Rev Frederick G Merry

Oh just reread your post, no problem was Todd was by stating that God told him to preach “The Angel” I worship Jesus in spirit and in truth, no angels or man here. You seem like an intelligent person, and you should spend time listening to all of his video’s and comments. Why would God want us to hear about an angel and not about his son Jesus. an angel will not save you, but Jesus will.
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Rev, I am an intelligent person (that’s no joke, I’m MENSA-qualified). I’ve listened to videos that I know to be authentic (read: not spliced together or edited), read lots of his online material and his book, heard him speak in person three times and have watched the revival live (with TB and others preaching) perhaps 80-85 of it’s 90+ nights.

I’ve never heard TB (or anyone else connected to this revival) preach that an angel will save you, or that angels should be worshiped.

Believe me – Jesus gets the glory.

Yet there’s this… If God didn’t want us to hear about angels, why are they mentioned so often in the Bible (and often not in the context of Jesus)?
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Rev, I am an intelligent person (that’s no joke, I’m MENSA-qualified). I’ve listened to videos that I know to be authentic (read: not spliced together or edited), read lots of his online material and his book, heard him speak in person three times and have watched the revival live (with TB and others preaching) perhaps 80-85 of it’s 90+ nights.

I’ve never heard TB (or anyone else connected to this revival) preach that an angel will save you, or that angels should be worshiped.

Believe me – Jesus gets the glory.

Yet there’s this… If God didn’t want us to hear about angels, why are they mentioned so often in the Bible (and often not in the context of Jesus)?
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Rev, you might want to read Acts 12 (the whole chapter). It’s rather instructive, wouldn’t you agree?
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Rev, you might want to read Acts 12 (the whole chapter). It’s rather instructive, wouldn’t you agree?
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

BTW, Rev, one more thought… you said
>>Well at least one thing I do know, we will never agree on this<<

I agree, it's not likely – at least not until we each stand before God and are judged for it all…
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

BTW, Rev, one more thought… you said
>>Well at least one thing I do know, we will never agree on this<<

I agree, it’s not likely – at least not until we each stand before God and are judged for it all…
Donna

Show me where God’s used a cultist to draw people to Jesus, heal the sick, and raise the dead. Then we’ll talk about it.

Kathi, as you’ve not been able to answer my past few emails (I do know you’ve been busy), yet I feel the need after reading this statement to bring up at least one of the questions I brought to you. Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn, were we not once in agreement that God can and does use anyone, even a cultist?
Donna

Show me where God’s used a cultist to draw people to Jesus, heal the sick, and raise the dead. Then we’ll talk about it.

Kathi, as you’ve not been able to answer my past few emails (I do know you’ve been busy), yet I feel the need after reading this statement to bring up at least one of the questions I brought to you. Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn, were we not once in agreement that God can and does use anyone, even a cultist?
Rev Frederick G Merry

Donna good point there/ Kathi will read then answer on Acts 12
Rev Frederick G Merry

Donna good point there/ Kathi will read then answer on Acts 12
Rev Frederick G Merry

Kathi I have never doubted the existance of angels. I said I couldn’t believe that God would tell someone to not preach Jesus as people knew who Jesus was but to preach about The Angel so they would understand the supernatural. He used singular not plural.
Rev Frederick G Merry

Kathi I have never doubted the existance of angels. I said I couldn’t believe that God would tell someone to not preach Jesus as people knew who Jesus was but to preach about The Angel so they would understand the supernatural. He used singular not plural.
Donna

Don’t think for a minute that I’m in agreement with all that you’ve said, Rev.
Donna

Don’t think for a minute that I’m in agreement with all that you’ve said, Rev.
Rev Frederick G Merry

Oh would never think that. We all have and made our opinions and we will live with them. I just like to dig deep into things and find the truth for me and I find I am not alone.
Rev Frederick G Merry

Oh would never think that. We all have and made our opinions and we will live with them. I just like to dig deep into things and find the truth for me and I find I am not alone.
Donna

Don’t dig too deep Rev, you may not find your way out.
Donna

Don’t dig too deep Rev, you may not find your way out.
Rev Frederick G Merry

Oh Donna, I always find my way out as go to the father in prayer before going in
Rev Frederick G Merry

Oh Donna, I always find my way out as go to the father in prayer before going in
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Donna, I may post about that later (I’m supposed to be working at the moment, but that’s not working out so well)

Here’s the short of it, though. I’ve spent a lot of time in thought and in prayer, and I’ve had to admit – I’ve not seen either of them in person. All I’ve seen, really, are video clips on the internet, and some things people have written about them. Given that videos are being spliced together to prove the evils of Todd Bentley, it wouldn’t surprise me if the heresy hunters had done the same with KC and BH.

So I’ve done some digging. Not a lot, yet. But some. I’ve watched Copeland on the television. Does his focus seem to be on the wrong thing (money)… yes. Does that make him a cultist? I don’t think so. Can God use him anyways? Yes. I’ve not investigated Benny Hinn much. I am, however, going to one of his conferences this fall. Why? To see, for myself. Is he a cultist? By strict definition, no. The same thing I’ve asked people to do regarding Lakeland and TB.

I’ve also started looking into some of the Word of Faith stuff. I’ve read a lot about it – from people who didn’t like it and seemed to have good reasons not to. I’ve heard a lot about it, by people who hurt by it. This convinced me that overall, it’s a bad thing. I’m sure I’ll remain convinced about certain elements of it, and I’m pretty sure I’ll never be called WoF (just a follower of Christ, thank you). These days, I’m talking to people within WoF churches about what they believe, and why. Nearly all of them denounce the more extreme teachings and the $$$$ stuff. That surprised me. They say that some of the teachings that seem extreme or unbiblical really aren’t what they seem (I’ve not had time to investigate yet). That said, what I’m seeing in these folks that I’ve come to know is a wholehearted seeking of God and a desire to live by His word. They’re not at all like the way I envisioned WoF folks to be, and so perhaps I’m guilty of having formed a stereotype based on the negatives.

Well, that got longer than I intended… might as well continue for a bit.

When I said, can God work through a cultist, I meant that we’re not seeing a cult leader (Warren Jeffs, the LDS, the JW’s, etc.) seeing people by the thousands saved, healed, delivered, set afire for the Most High. I won’t say that individuals aren’t occasionally healed in those places. I don’t know that it’s the work of the devil, or maybe God’s mercy and working out His plan.

There’s a difference between a cultist and an imperfect preacher of God’s word (which we all are, and that was my point of the Sin post). Can God work through an imperfect minister? Yes. He does it all the time. Can God even work through a preacher or minister who is undevoted to Him? Who lives in sin? Who has a skewed view of Him? Yes, I believe He can.

More later, perhaps… work is calling me (I’m designing a series of websites – commercial stuff/business venture. I’ll post on that eventually)
http://iamhealed.net Kathi

Donna, I may post about that later (I’m supposed to be working at the moment, but that’s not working out so well)

Here’s the short of it, though. I’ve spent a lot of time in thought and in prayer, and I’ve had to admit – I’ve not seen either of them in person. All I’ve seen, really, are video clips on the internet, and some things people have written about them. Given that videos are being spliced together to prove the evils of Todd Bentley, it wouldn’t surprise me if the heresy hunters had done the same with KC and BH.

So I’ve done some digging. Not a lot, yet. But some. I’ve watched Copeland on the television. Does his focus seem to be on the wrong thing (money)… yes. Does that make him a cultist? I don’t think so. Can God use him anyways? Yes. I’ve not investigated Benny Hinn much. I am, however, going to one of his conferences this fall. Why? To see, for myself. Is he a cultist? By strict definition, no. The same thing I’ve asked people to do regarding Lakeland and TB.

I’ve also started looking into some of the Word of Faith stuff. I’ve read a lot about it – from people who didn’t like it and seemed to have good reasons not to. I’ve heard a lot about it, by people who hurt by it. This convinced me that overall, it’s a bad thing. I’m sure I’ll remain convinced about certain elements of it, and I’m pretty sure I’ll never be called WoF (just a follower of Christ, thank you). These days, I’m talking to people within WoF churches about what they believe, and why. Nearly all of them denounce the more extreme teachings and the $$$$ stuff. That surprised me. They say that some of the teachings that seem extreme or unbiblical really aren’t what they seem (I’ve not had time to investigate yet). That said, what I’m seeing in these folks that I’ve come to know is a wholehearted seeking of God and a desire to live by His word. They’re not at all like the way I envisioned WoF folks to be, and so perhaps I’m guilty of having formed a stereotype based on the negatives.

Well, that got longer than I intended… might as well continue for a bit.

When I said, can God work through a cultist, I meant that we’re not seeing a cult leader (Warren Jeffs, the LDS, the JW’s, etc.) seeing people by the thousands saved, healed, delivered, set afire for the Most High. I won’t say that individuals aren’t occasionally healed in those places. I don’t know that it’s the work of the devil, or maybe God’s mercy and working out His plan.

There’s a difference between a cultist and an imperfect preacher of God’s word (which we all are, and that was my point of the Sin post). Can God work through an imperfect minister? Yes. He does it all the time. Can God even work through a preacher or minister who is undevoted to Him? Who lives in sin? Who has a skewed view of Him? Yes, I believe He can.

More later, perhaps… work is calling me (I’m designing a series of websites – commercial stuff/business venture. I’ll post on that eventually)

Kay Sharpe

I'm a laid-down lover of Jesus Christ. I write about my King and His Kingdom, the Bible, revival, healing, prophecy, faith, and more... plus I throw in recipes, tips, news and politics items, reviews, and all sorts of random things just for fun. Until recently, I was known as "Kathi"... but my name is now Kay. It's a good, God thing... :) The opinions expressed in this blog are mine and mine only - not necessarily shared by my husband, our church, my employers, or anyone else.

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